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<div><h1>hCard+XFN supporting friends lists</h1><br />
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Welcome! If you have an account on any of the following services, you already have a list of your friends' hCards with your relationship to them in XFN which you can provide to other services to save time by either importing or subscribing to social network information so you can change it on one site, and have other sites automatically updated, rather than having to re-add/remove all your social network contacts multiple times every time you meet a new person, decide to unfriend someone etc.<br />
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== Services with hCard+XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites support publishing hCard+XFN friends lists and are thus suitable for importing/subscribing to other sites that support hCard+XFN. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites with hCard+XFN supporting friends lists here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for retrieving your the URL of your hCard+XFN supporting friends list on that site.<br />
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<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/corkd.gif [http://www.corkd.com/ Cork'd] - login and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.corkd.com/people/</nowiki><br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - login and note that your user page has hCard and XFN for your contacts<br />
* [http://gaia.com/ Gaia Community] - e.g. http://sphorbis.gaia.com/ - built by [http://www.zaadz.com Zaadz] <br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last FM] - login, click the "Friends" tab, and copy the URL which should look like: <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/[username]/friends/</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - View your contacts page <nowiki>http://ma.gnolia.com/people/[username]/contacts</nowiki> . Note [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues#Magnolia|issue(s)]].<br />
* [http://www.nsyght.com/ Nsyght] - Visit your profile page and select "view all" on the friends component. Should look like this: <nowiki>http://www.nsyght.com/friends/[username]/</nowiki>, e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - On user profile if the "Friends list" element is displayed (on by default), else at <nowiki>/friends</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - you have one user profile per social group that you want to share information with: <nowiki>http://lifestrea.ms/user/[username]/</nowiki>. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
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== Services that import hCard+XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites let you import hCard+XFN friends lists, e.g. from the above sites, and make use of both the XFN information and the hCards in the friends lists. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites supporting hCard+XFN import here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for how to import friends on the site.<br />
<br />
=== import ===<br />
The following sites do one time imports of friends lists.<br />
<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - as [http://blog.dopplr.com/index.php/2007/06/23/importing-your-social-network-from-other-sites/ announced] login and go to <nowiki>http://www.dopplr.com/account/fellows_from_hcard</nowiki> to import (site is private beta)<br />
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* [http://t.heproject.com/ The Project] - Login with your OpenID and the site automatically tries to subscribe to your XFN friends list where it intersects with their userbase<br />
** appears to fail logging in with a delegated OpenID, e.g. http://tantek.com/ - unable to verify import friends list support. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 10:03, 1 Feb 2008 (PST)<br />
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=== import and subscribe ===<br />
The following sites support both importing and subscribing to friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
=== delegation ===<br />
The following sites support fully delegating your friends list to an external hCard+XFN friends list.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
== Services with XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
These sites support XFN markup on friends lists. It is a superset of the sites that support XFN <em>and</em> hCard on friends lists.<br />
<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* [http://3eep.com/ 3eep] - each user's friends are linked to with XFN is located at <nowiki>http://3eep.com/users/[username]</nowiki><br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/corkd.gif [http://www.corkd.com/ Cork'd] - login and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.corkd.com/people/</nowiki><br />
* [http://couchsurfing.com CouchSurfing] profiles have XFN Friendly friends lists (e.g. [http://www.couchsurfing.com/people/guaka Guaka's]).<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - login and note that your user page has hCard and XFN for your contacts<br />
* http://flugpo.com/images/flugpo_icon.gif [http://flugpo.com Flugpo] - check your friends page linked from your profile.<br />
* [http://gaia.com/ Gaia Community] - e.g. http://sphorbis.gaia.com/ - built by [http://www.zaadz.com Zaadz] <br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last FM] - login, click the "Friends" tab, and copy the URL which should look like: <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/[username]/friends/</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LiveJournal.gif [http://livejournal.com LiveJournal] (see [[implementations#LiveJournal|LiveJournal]] implementation entry) - login, click on the "Profile" link, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://USERNAME.livejournal.com/profile</nowiki> where USERNAME is your LJ username. E.g. [http://daveman692.livejournal.com/profile]. LiveJournal profiles have complete friends lists marked up in XFN.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - View your contacts page <nowiki>http://ma.gnolia.com/people/[username]/contacts</nowiki> . Note [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues#Magnolia|issue(s)]].<br />
* [http://meetlisten.com Meetlisten] - e.g. http://meetlisten.com/home/profile.php?id=1 and (e.g. [http://meetlisten.com/home/friends.php?id=6 MAKACOW-Brazil's]).<br />
* [http://www.nsyght.com/ Nsyght] - Visit your profile page and select "view all" on the friends component. Should look like this: <nowiki>http://www.nsyght.com/friends/[username]/</nowiki>, e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/odeo.gif [http://odeo.com Odeo] — the "peep's" list of each user is marked up with XFN (rel="contact") e.g. http://odeo.com/profile/JeremyKeith . See [http://odeo.com/blog/2005/07/adding-microformats-to-odeo.html announcing blog post].<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, click on the "Home" link at the top, and copy the URL.<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - On user profile if the "Friends list" element is displayed (on by default), else at <nowiki>/friends</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/ (see also [http://wiki.www.videntity.org/wiki/Social_Networking_Unlimited Videntity XFN support documentation]).<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - one friends list per social group that you want to share information with: <nowiki>http://lifestrea.ms/user/[username]/</nowiki>. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
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== Services that import XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites support importing your existing XFN supporting friends lists, e.g. from the above sites. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites supporting XFN import here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for how to import friends on the site.<br />
=== import ===<br />
The following sites do one time imports of friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
=== import and subscribe ===<br />
The following sites support both importing and subscribing to friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
=== delegation ===<br />
The following sites support fully delegating your friends list to an external XFN friends list.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
== Services with XFN rel="me" to multiple external sites ==<br />
The following services have a UI for entering any number of websites/homepages/blogs and publish it as part of your profile, linking to it with [[rel-me]].<br />
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* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Digg.gif [http://digg.com/ Digg] - e.g. http://digg.com/users/tantek<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/plaxo.gif [http://plaxo.com/ Plaxo] - e.g. http://joseph.myplaxo.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://pownce.com/</nowiki><br />
* http://technorati.com/tools/mozsearch/technorati.png [http://technorati.com/ Technorati] - e.g. http://technorati.com/people/technorati/tantek<br />
* http://www.postreach.com/images/logo_typepad.gif [http://typepad.com/ TypePad] - e.g. http://www.markpasc.typepad.com/<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/<br />
* http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/vox.png [http://vox.com/ Vox] - e.g. http://anil.vox.com/<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - supporting all your appearances on the web. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
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== Services with XFN rel="me" to one external site ==<br />
The following services have a UI for entering one website/homepage/blog and publish it as part of your profile, linking to it with [[rel-me]].<br />
<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Digg.gif [http://digg.com/ Digg] - e.g. http://digg.com/users/tantek<br />
* [http://eventful.com/ Eventful] - login, click on your username, and copy that URL.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Flickr.gif [http://flickr.com/ Flickr] - login, click "Your Photos", click "Profile", and copy the URL which should be <nowiki>http://flickr.com/people/[username]/</nowiki><br />
** Flickr supports rel="me" identity consolidation with your webpage that you enter into your profile, and with your Flickr contacts page. See [http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/113866484/ screenshot of Flickr UI in Flock browser using Flocktails extension - March 17th 2006].<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* [http://jpgmag.com JPG Magazine]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last.FM] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/</nowiki><br />
** Last.FM supports rel="me" identity consolidation with your webpage that you enter into your profile, and with your Last.FM friends page.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - see [http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2006/08/21/a-microadvance-in-our-microformats supports rel=me announcement].<br />
* [http://nsyght.com Nsyght] - e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/plaxo.gif [http://plaxo.com/ Plaxo] - e.g. http://joseph.myplaxo.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://pownce.com/</nowiki><br />
** Pownce [http://pownce.com/t/notes/644806/ supports rel="me" for LOTS of other profiles].<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - on user profile<br />
* http://technorati.com/tools/mozsearch/technorati.png [http://technorati.com/ Technorati] - e.g. http://technorati.com/people/technorati/tantek<br />
* http://www.postreach.com/images/logo_typepad.gif [http://typepad.com/ TypePad] - e.g. http://www.markpasc.typepad.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/<br />
* http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/vox.png [http://vox.com/ Vox] - e.g. http://anil.vox.com/<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - supporting all your external appearances on the web. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
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== Implement hCard XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
Want to implement hCard+XFN on your site so you can list it here? <br />
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# '''Markup friends with hCard.''' See the [[hcard-authoring|hCard authoring]] page for how to mark-up names, links, icons of people in friends lists with hCard.<br />
# '''XFN on friend links.''' Friends lists should be marked up with XFN per [[xfn-clarifications#mapping_community_site_.22friends.22|XFN clarifications: mapping community site friends]]. See also the [http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/join XFN: Getting Started] page for how to markup links to people with XFN. See also the [[hcard-examples#hCard_and_XFN|hCard examples: hCard and XFN]] which demonstrates this and the previous step quite well.<br />
# '''rel="me" to a user's other URLs'''. Hyperlinks to users' home pages or blogs should have the XFN <code>rel="me"</code> attribute to support user-driven (since the user chooses the URL to link to) identity consolidation.<br />
# '''rel="me" on "View All Friends..." links'''. If a user profile page on your site links to a separate page for that user's friends list, add <code>rel="me"</code> to that link.<br />
# '''rel="me" on friends list pagination links'''. If your site paginates a user's friend list into multiple pages, be sure to add <code>rel="me next"</code> to your "Next" pagination hyperlinks, and similarly <code>rel="me prev"</code> to your "Previous" pagination hyperlinks.<br />
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Please also consider implementing [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles|hCard user profiles]].<br />
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== Implement import XFN friends lists ==<br />
Want to implement importing (and preferably subscribing to) XFN friends lists on your site so you can list it here?<br />
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In addition to implementing hCard XFN supporting friends lists yourself (see above), do the following:<br />
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# '''Provide a user interface to "Import Friends"''' (like a button or menu item)<br />
# '''When chosen, provide a text input field for the user to enter their profile URL''' (such as their blog or XFN friends list URL). If you already have the user's "Website", pre-fill the field with it, or if the user has many "Other Profiles", pre-fill the field with the first, and let the user pick any of them with a Select pop-up menu, or provide the user the option to just import XFN from all of them at once.<br />
# '''Parse the [[XFN]] at the URL(s) given''' (links with rel="contact" or "acquaintance" or "friend" etc.) and check to see if there are any users on your site with any of those links as their rel="me" "Website" or among their rel="me" "Other Profiles" and add them to a list of people to invite. Crawl any symmetrical rel="me" links, especially symmetrical rel="me next" and/or rel="me prev" friends list pagination links for additional URLs to parse for XFN. Consider also parsing those URLs simultaneously for hCards that have those XFN links as class="url" hCard properties, and if the hCards have additional contact information such as instant messaging or email, add them to the list of people to invite.<br />
# '''Present the list of people to invite''', perhaps sorted by "closeness" of XFN relationships (e.g. list family relationships before just romantic relationships before just friends before just professional relationships before just acquaintances before just contacts before just met etc.) with a "Add Friend" button next to each. When clicked, use [[XHR]] to add that person without altering the overall list, and change the Add button into a Cancel button. Perhaps put an "Add all" button at the top (or bottom) to let the user simply add everyone listed with one click.<br />
# '''Consider also providing a checkbox "<nowiki>[x]</nowiki> Subscribe to XFN friends"''' which would automatically run this import perhaps once a day and notify the user of new contacts found that they may want to add, and similarly present an "Add all" button.<br />
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== Sites that should support hCard and XFN ==<br />
See [[hcard-advocacy#hCard_XFN_friends_lists|hCard advocacy - hCard XFN friends lists]].<br />
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== For more information ==<br />
In addition to the previous "Implement" sections, see the [[hcard-authoring|hCard authoring]] page for how to mark-up information about a person with hCard, and [http://gmpg.org/xfn/join XFN getting started] page for how to mark-up friend links with XFN.<br />
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Join the [http://microformats.org/discuss microformats community], in particular the #microformats IRC channel on irc://irc.freenode.net#microformats and the [http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-dev/ microformats-dev mailing list], and send a message stating that you'd like to add hCard to the profiles and hCard+XFN supporting friends lists (and importing thereof) to your website.<br />
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Please also consider implementing [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles|hCard supporting user profiles]].<br />
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See [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues|hCard+XFN supporting friends lists issues]] for issues, problems with implementations.<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[xfn|XFN]] ([http://gmpg.org/xfn/ spec], [[xfn-faq|FAQ]], [[xfn-implementations|implementations]] - there are a few more in there that need to be copied and expanded in this page.)<br />
* [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]]<br />
* [[hcard|hCard]] ([[hcard-authoring|authoring]], [[hcard-faq|FAQ]])<br />
* [[social-network-portability]]<br />
* [[data-portability]]<br />
* [[user-interface]]</div>STHaydenhttps://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=26331hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists2008-03-18T17:31:09Z<p>STHayden: /* Services with XFN supporting friends lists */</p>
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<div><h1>hCard+XFN supporting friends lists</h1><br />
{{TOC-right}}<br />
<br />
Welcome! If you have an account on any of the following services, you already have a list of your friends' hCards with your relationship to them in XFN which you can provide to other services to save time by either importing or subscribing to social network information so you can change it on one site, and have other sites automatically updated, rather than having to re-add/remove all your social network contacts multiple times every time you meet a new person, decide to unfriend someone etc.<br />
<br />
== Services with hCard+XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites support publishing hCard+XFN friends lists and are thus suitable for importing/subscribing to other sites that support hCard+XFN. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites with hCard+XFN supporting friends lists here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for retrieving your the URL of your hCard+XFN supporting friends list on that site.<br />
<br />
<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/corkd.gif [http://www.corkd.com/ Cork'd] - login and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.corkd.com/people/</nowiki><br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - login and note that your user page has hCard and XFN for your contacts<br />
* [http://gaia.com/ Gaia Community] - e.g. http://sphorbis.gaia.com/ - built by [http://www.zaadz.com Zaadz] <br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last FM] - login, click the "Friends" tab, and copy the URL which should look like: <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/[username]/friends/</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - View your contacts page <nowiki>http://ma.gnolia.com/people/[username]/contacts</nowiki> . Note [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues#Magnolia|issue(s)]].<br />
* [http://www.nsyght.com/ Nsyght] - Visit your profile page and select "view all" on the friends component. Should look like this: <nowiki>http://www.nsyght.com/friends/[username]/</nowiki>, e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - On user profile if the "Friends list" element is displayed (on by default), else at <nowiki>/friends</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - you have one user profile per social group that you want to share information with: <nowiki>http://lifestrea.ms/user/[username]/</nowiki>. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
== Services that import hCard+XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites let you import hCard+XFN friends lists, e.g. from the above sites, and make use of both the XFN information and the hCards in the friends lists. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites supporting hCard+XFN import here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for how to import friends on the site.<br />
<br />
=== import ===<br />
The following sites do one time imports of friends lists.<br />
<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - as [http://blog.dopplr.com/index.php/2007/06/23/importing-your-social-network-from-other-sites/ announced] login and go to <nowiki>http://www.dopplr.com/account/fellows_from_hcard</nowiki> to import (site is private beta)<br />
<br />
* [http://t.heproject.com/ The Project] - Login with your OpenID and the site automatically tries to subscribe to your XFN friends list where it intersects with their userbase<br />
** appears to fail logging in with a delegated OpenID, e.g. http://tantek.com/ - unable to verify import friends list support. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 10:03, 1 Feb 2008 (PST)<br />
<br />
=== import and subscribe ===<br />
The following sites support both importing and subscribing to friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
=== delegation ===<br />
The following sites support fully delegating your friends list to an external hCard+XFN friends list.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
== Services with XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
These sites support XFN markup on friends lists. It is a superset of the sites that support XFN <em>and</em> hCard on friends lists.<br />
<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* [http://3eep.com/ 3eep] - each user's friends are linked to with XFN is located at <nowiki>http://3eep.com/users/[username]</nowiki><br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/corkd.gif [http://www.corkd.com/ Cork'd] - login and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.corkd.com/people/</nowiki><br />
* [http://couchsurfing.com CouchSurfing] profiles have XFN Friendly friends lists (e.g. [http://www.couchsurfing.com/people/guaka Guaka's]).<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - login and note that your user page has hCard and XFN for your contacts<br />
* http://flugpo.com/images/flugpo_icon.gif|16px [http://flugpo.com Flugpo] - check your friends page linked from your profile.<br />
* [http://gaia.com/ Gaia Community] - e.g. http://sphorbis.gaia.com/ - built by [http://www.zaadz.com Zaadz] <br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last FM] - login, click the "Friends" tab, and copy the URL which should look like: <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/[username]/friends/</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LiveJournal.gif [http://livejournal.com LiveJournal] (see [[implementations#LiveJournal|LiveJournal]] implementation entry) - login, click on the "Profile" link, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://USERNAME.livejournal.com/profile</nowiki> where USERNAME is your LJ username. E.g. [http://daveman692.livejournal.com/profile]. LiveJournal profiles have complete friends lists marked up in XFN.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - View your contacts page <nowiki>http://ma.gnolia.com/people/[username]/contacts</nowiki> . Note [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues#Magnolia|issue(s)]].<br />
* [http://meetlisten.com Meetlisten] - e.g. http://meetlisten.com/home/profile.php?id=1 and (e.g. [http://meetlisten.com/home/friends.php?id=6 MAKACOW-Brazil's]).<br />
* [http://www.nsyght.com/ Nsyght] - Visit your profile page and select "view all" on the friends component. Should look like this: <nowiki>http://www.nsyght.com/friends/[username]/</nowiki>, e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/odeo.gif [http://odeo.com Odeo] — the "peep's" list of each user is marked up with XFN (rel="contact") e.g. http://odeo.com/profile/JeremyKeith . See [http://odeo.com/blog/2005/07/adding-microformats-to-odeo.html announcing blog post].<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, click on the "Home" link at the top, and copy the URL.<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - On user profile if the "Friends list" element is displayed (on by default), else at <nowiki>/friends</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/ (see also [http://wiki.www.videntity.org/wiki/Social_Networking_Unlimited Videntity XFN support documentation]).<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - one friends list per social group that you want to share information with: <nowiki>http://lifestrea.ms/user/[username]/</nowiki>. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
== Services that import XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites support importing your existing XFN supporting friends lists, e.g. from the above sites. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites supporting XFN import here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for how to import friends on the site.<br />
=== import ===<br />
The following sites do one time imports of friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
=== import and subscribe ===<br />
The following sites support both importing and subscribing to friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
=== delegation ===<br />
The following sites support fully delegating your friends list to an external XFN friends list.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
== Services with XFN rel="me" to multiple external sites ==<br />
The following services have a UI for entering any number of websites/homepages/blogs and publish it as part of your profile, linking to it with [[rel-me]].<br />
<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Digg.gif [http://digg.com/ Digg] - e.g. http://digg.com/users/tantek<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/plaxo.gif [http://plaxo.com/ Plaxo] - e.g. http://joseph.myplaxo.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://pownce.com/</nowiki><br />
* http://technorati.com/tools/mozsearch/technorati.png [http://technorati.com/ Technorati] - e.g. http://technorati.com/people/technorati/tantek<br />
* http://www.postreach.com/images/logo_typepad.gif [http://typepad.com/ TypePad] - e.g. http://www.markpasc.typepad.com/<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/<br />
* http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/vox.png [http://vox.com/ Vox] - e.g. http://anil.vox.com/<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - supporting all your appearances on the web. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
== Services with XFN rel="me" to one external site ==<br />
The following services have a UI for entering one website/homepage/blog and publish it as part of your profile, linking to it with [[rel-me]].<br />
<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Digg.gif [http://digg.com/ Digg] - e.g. http://digg.com/users/tantek<br />
* [http://eventful.com/ Eventful] - login, click on your username, and copy that URL.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Flickr.gif [http://flickr.com/ Flickr] - login, click "Your Photos", click "Profile", and copy the URL which should be <nowiki>http://flickr.com/people/[username]/</nowiki><br />
** Flickr supports rel="me" identity consolidation with your webpage that you enter into your profile, and with your Flickr contacts page. See [http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/113866484/ screenshot of Flickr UI in Flock browser using Flocktails extension - March 17th 2006].<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* [http://jpgmag.com JPG Magazine]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last.FM] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/</nowiki><br />
** Last.FM supports rel="me" identity consolidation with your webpage that you enter into your profile, and with your Last.FM friends page.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - see [http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2006/08/21/a-microadvance-in-our-microformats supports rel=me announcement].<br />
* [http://nsyght.com Nsyght] - e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/plaxo.gif [http://plaxo.com/ Plaxo] - e.g. http://joseph.myplaxo.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://pownce.com/</nowiki><br />
** Pownce [http://pownce.com/t/notes/644806/ supports rel="me" for LOTS of other profiles].<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - on user profile<br />
* http://technorati.com/tools/mozsearch/technorati.png [http://technorati.com/ Technorati] - e.g. http://technorati.com/people/technorati/tantek<br />
* http://www.postreach.com/images/logo_typepad.gif [http://typepad.com/ TypePad] - e.g. http://www.markpasc.typepad.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/<br />
* http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/vox.png [http://vox.com/ Vox] - e.g. http://anil.vox.com/<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - supporting all your external appearances on the web. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
== Implement hCard XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
Want to implement hCard+XFN on your site so you can list it here? <br />
<br />
# '''Markup friends with hCard.''' See the [[hcard-authoring|hCard authoring]] page for how to mark-up names, links, icons of people in friends lists with hCard.<br />
# '''XFN on friend links.''' Friends lists should be marked up with XFN per [[xfn-clarifications#mapping_community_site_.22friends.22|XFN clarifications: mapping community site friends]]. See also the [http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/join XFN: Getting Started] page for how to markup links to people with XFN. See also the [[hcard-examples#hCard_and_XFN|hCard examples: hCard and XFN]] which demonstrates this and the previous step quite well.<br />
# '''rel="me" to a user's other URLs'''. Hyperlinks to users' home pages or blogs should have the XFN <code>rel="me"</code> attribute to support user-driven (since the user chooses the URL to link to) identity consolidation.<br />
# '''rel="me" on "View All Friends..." links'''. If a user profile page on your site links to a separate page for that user's friends list, add <code>rel="me"</code> to that link.<br />
# '''rel="me" on friends list pagination links'''. If your site paginates a user's friend list into multiple pages, be sure to add <code>rel="me next"</code> to your "Next" pagination hyperlinks, and similarly <code>rel="me prev"</code> to your "Previous" pagination hyperlinks.<br />
<br />
Please also consider implementing [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles|hCard user profiles]].<br />
<br />
== Implement import XFN friends lists ==<br />
Want to implement importing (and preferably subscribing to) XFN friends lists on your site so you can list it here?<br />
<br />
In addition to implementing hCard XFN supporting friends lists yourself (see above), do the following:<br />
<br />
# '''Provide a user interface to "Import Friends"''' (like a button or menu item)<br />
# '''When chosen, provide a text input field for the user to enter their profile URL''' (such as their blog or XFN friends list URL). If you already have the user's "Website", pre-fill the field with it, or if the user has many "Other Profiles", pre-fill the field with the first, and let the user pick any of them with a Select pop-up menu, or provide the user the option to just import XFN from all of them at once.<br />
# '''Parse the [[XFN]] at the URL(s) given''' (links with rel="contact" or "acquaintance" or "friend" etc.) and check to see if there are any users on your site with any of those links as their rel="me" "Website" or among their rel="me" "Other Profiles" and add them to a list of people to invite. Crawl any symmetrical rel="me" links, especially symmetrical rel="me next" and/or rel="me prev" friends list pagination links for additional URLs to parse for XFN. Consider also parsing those URLs simultaneously for hCards that have those XFN links as class="url" hCard properties, and if the hCards have additional contact information such as instant messaging or email, add them to the list of people to invite.<br />
# '''Present the list of people to invite''', perhaps sorted by "closeness" of XFN relationships (e.g. list family relationships before just romantic relationships before just friends before just professional relationships before just acquaintances before just contacts before just met etc.) with a "Add Friend" button next to each. When clicked, use [[XHR]] to add that person without altering the overall list, and change the Add button into a Cancel button. Perhaps put an "Add all" button at the top (or bottom) to let the user simply add everyone listed with one click.<br />
# '''Consider also providing a checkbox "<nowiki>[x]</nowiki> Subscribe to XFN friends"''' which would automatically run this import perhaps once a day and notify the user of new contacts found that they may want to add, and similarly present an "Add all" button.<br />
<br />
== Sites that should support hCard and XFN ==<br />
See [[hcard-advocacy#hCard_XFN_friends_lists|hCard advocacy - hCard XFN friends lists]].<br />
<br />
== For more information ==<br />
In addition to the previous "Implement" sections, see the [[hcard-authoring|hCard authoring]] page for how to mark-up information about a person with hCard, and [http://gmpg.org/xfn/join XFN getting started] page for how to mark-up friend links with XFN.<br />
<br />
Join the [http://microformats.org/discuss microformats community], in particular the #microformats IRC channel on irc://irc.freenode.net#microformats and the [http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-dev/ microformats-dev mailing list], and send a message stating that you'd like to add hCard to the profiles and hCard+XFN supporting friends lists (and importing thereof) to your website.<br />
<br />
Please also consider implementing [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles|hCard supporting user profiles]].<br />
<br />
See [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues|hCard+XFN supporting friends lists issues]] for issues, problems with implementations.<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[xfn|XFN]] ([http://gmpg.org/xfn/ spec], [[xfn-faq|FAQ]], [[xfn-implementations|implementations]] - there are a few more in there that need to be copied and expanded in this page.)<br />
* [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]]<br />
* [[hcard|hCard]] ([[hcard-authoring|authoring]], [[hcard-faq|FAQ]])<br />
* [[social-network-portability]]<br />
* [[data-portability]]<br />
* [[user-interface]]</div>STHaydenhttps://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists&diff=26330hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists2008-03-18T17:29:51Z<p>STHayden: /* Services with XFN supporting friends lists */ added flugpo</p>
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<div><h1>hCard+XFN supporting friends lists</h1><br />
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Welcome! If you have an account on any of the following services, you already have a list of your friends' hCards with your relationship to them in XFN which you can provide to other services to save time by either importing or subscribing to social network information so you can change it on one site, and have other sites automatically updated, rather than having to re-add/remove all your social network contacts multiple times every time you meet a new person, decide to unfriend someone etc.<br />
<br />
== Services with hCard+XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites support publishing hCard+XFN friends lists and are thus suitable for importing/subscribing to other sites that support hCard+XFN. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites with hCard+XFN supporting friends lists here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for retrieving your the URL of your hCard+XFN supporting friends list on that site.<br />
<br />
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* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/corkd.gif [http://www.corkd.com/ Cork'd] - login and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.corkd.com/people/</nowiki><br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - login and note that your user page has hCard and XFN for your contacts<br />
* [http://gaia.com/ Gaia Community] - e.g. http://sphorbis.gaia.com/ - built by [http://www.zaadz.com Zaadz] <br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last FM] - login, click the "Friends" tab, and copy the URL which should look like: <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/[username]/friends/</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - View your contacts page <nowiki>http://ma.gnolia.com/people/[username]/contacts</nowiki> . Note [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues#Magnolia|issue(s)]].<br />
* [http://www.nsyght.com/ Nsyght] - Visit your profile page and select "view all" on the friends component. Should look like this: <nowiki>http://www.nsyght.com/friends/[username]/</nowiki>, e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - On user profile if the "Friends list" element is displayed (on by default), else at <nowiki>/friends</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - you have one user profile per social group that you want to share information with: <nowiki>http://lifestrea.ms/user/[username]/</nowiki>. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
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== Services that import hCard+XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites let you import hCard+XFN friends lists, e.g. from the above sites, and make use of both the XFN information and the hCards in the friends lists. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites supporting hCard+XFN import here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for how to import friends on the site.<br />
<br />
=== import ===<br />
The following sites do one time imports of friends lists.<br />
<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - as [http://blog.dopplr.com/index.php/2007/06/23/importing-your-social-network-from-other-sites/ announced] login and go to <nowiki>http://www.dopplr.com/account/fellows_from_hcard</nowiki> to import (site is private beta)<br />
<br />
* [http://t.heproject.com/ The Project] - Login with your OpenID and the site automatically tries to subscribe to your XFN friends list where it intersects with their userbase<br />
** appears to fail logging in with a delegated OpenID, e.g. http://tantek.com/ - unable to verify import friends list support. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 10:03, 1 Feb 2008 (PST)<br />
<br />
=== import and subscribe ===<br />
The following sites support both importing and subscribing to friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
=== delegation ===<br />
The following sites support fully delegating your friends list to an external hCard+XFN friends list.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
== Services with XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
These sites support XFN markup on friends lists. It is a superset of the sites that support XFN <em>and</em> hCard on friends lists.<br />
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* [http://3eep.com/ 3eep] - each user's friends are linked to with XFN is located at <nowiki>http://3eep.com/users/[username]</nowiki><br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/corkd.gif [http://www.corkd.com/ Cork'd] - login and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.corkd.com/people/</nowiki><br />
* [http://couchsurfing.com CouchSurfing] profiles have XFN Friendly friends lists (e.g. [http://www.couchsurfing.com/people/guaka Guaka's]).<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/dopplr.gif [http://dopplr.com Dopplr] - login and note that your user page has hCard and XFN for your contacts<br />
* http://flugpo.com/images/flugpo_icon.gif [http://flugpo.com | Flugpo] - check your friends page linked from your profile.<br />
* [http://gaia.com/ Gaia Community] - e.g. http://sphorbis.gaia.com/ - built by [http://www.zaadz.com Zaadz] <br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last FM] - login, click the "Friends" tab, and copy the URL which should look like: <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/[username]/friends/</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LiveJournal.gif [http://livejournal.com LiveJournal] (see [[implementations#LiveJournal|LiveJournal]] implementation entry) - login, click on the "Profile" link, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://USERNAME.livejournal.com/profile</nowiki> where USERNAME is your LJ username. E.g. [http://daveman692.livejournal.com/profile]. LiveJournal profiles have complete friends lists marked up in XFN.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - View your contacts page <nowiki>http://ma.gnolia.com/people/[username]/contacts</nowiki> . Note [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues#Magnolia|issue(s)]].<br />
* [http://meetlisten.com Meetlisten] - e.g. http://meetlisten.com/home/profile.php?id=1 and (e.g. [http://meetlisten.com/home/friends.php?id=6 MAKACOW-Brazil's]).<br />
* [http://www.nsyght.com/ Nsyght] - Visit your profile page and select "view all" on the friends component. Should look like this: <nowiki>http://www.nsyght.com/friends/[username]/</nowiki>, e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/odeo.gif [http://odeo.com Odeo] — the "peep's" list of each user is marked up with XFN (rel="contact") e.g. http://odeo.com/profile/JeremyKeith . See [http://odeo.com/blog/2005/07/adding-microformats-to-odeo.html announcing blog post].<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, click on the "Home" link at the top, and copy the URL.<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - On user profile if the "Friends list" element is displayed (on by default), else at <nowiki>/friends</nowiki><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/ (see also [http://wiki.www.videntity.org/wiki/Social_Networking_Unlimited Videntity XFN support documentation]).<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - one friends list per social group that you want to share information with: <nowiki>http://lifestrea.ms/user/[username]/</nowiki>. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
== Services that import XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
The following web sites support importing your existing XFN supporting friends lists, e.g. from the above sites. Alphabetically sorted. Feel free to add sites supporting XFN import here. Please include a link to the site home page, and instructions for how to import friends on the site.<br />
=== import ===<br />
The following sites do one time imports of friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
=== import and subscribe ===<br />
The following sites support both importing and subscribing to friends lists.<br />
* None currently.<br />
=== delegation ===<br />
The following sites support fully delegating your friends list to an external XFN friends list.<br />
* None currently.<br />
<br />
== Services with XFN rel="me" to multiple external sites ==<br />
The following services have a UI for entering any number of websites/homepages/blogs and publish it as part of your profile, linking to it with [[rel-me]].<br />
<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Digg.gif [http://digg.com/ Digg] - e.g. http://digg.com/users/tantek<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/plaxo.gif [http://plaxo.com/ Plaxo] - e.g. http://joseph.myplaxo.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://pownce.com/</nowiki><br />
* http://technorati.com/tools/mozsearch/technorati.png [http://technorati.com/ Technorati] - e.g. http://technorati.com/people/technorati/tantek<br />
* http://www.postreach.com/images/logo_typepad.gif [http://typepad.com/ TypePad] - e.g. http://www.markpasc.typepad.com/<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/<br />
* http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/vox.png [http://vox.com/ Vox] - e.g. http://anil.vox.com/<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - supporting all your appearances on the web. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
== Services with XFN rel="me" to one external site ==<br />
The following services have a UI for entering one website/homepage/blog and publish it as part of your profile, linking to it with [[rel-me]].<br />
<div style="font-size:larger"><br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Digg.gif [http://digg.com/ Digg] - e.g. http://digg.com/users/tantek<br />
* [http://eventful.com/ Eventful] - login, click on your username, and copy that URL.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Flickr.gif [http://flickr.com/ Flickr] - login, click "Your Photos", click "Profile", and copy the URL which should be <nowiki>http://flickr.com/people/[username]/</nowiki><br />
** Flickr supports rel="me" identity consolidation with your webpage that you enter into your profile, and with your Flickr contacts page. See [http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/113866484/ screenshot of Flickr UI in Flock browser using Flocktails extension - March 17th 2006].<br />
* http://identoo.com/images/icons/services/identoo.gif [http://identoo.com/ Identoo] - e.g. [http://identoo.com/dirk.olbertz sample profile]<br />
* [http://jpgmag.com JPG Magazine]<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/LastFM.gif [http://www.last.fm/ Last.FM] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://www.last.fm/user/</nowiki><br />
** Last.FM supports rel="me" identity consolidation with your webpage that you enter into your profile, and with your Last.FM friends page.<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Magnolia.gif [http://ma.gnolia.com/ Ma.gnolia] - see [http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2006/08/21/a-microadvance-in-our-microformats supports rel=me announcement].<br />
* [http://nsyght.com Nsyght] - e.g. [http://nsyght.com/users/lisa sample profile].<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/plaxo.gif [http://plaxo.com/ Plaxo] - e.g. http://joseph.myplaxo.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Pownce.gif [http://pownce.com/ Pownce] - login, go to your profile, and copy the URL which should start with <nowiki>http://pownce.com/</nowiki><br />
** Pownce [http://pownce.com/t/notes/644806/ supports rel="me" for LOTS of other profiles].<br />
* [http://soup.io Soup] - on user profile<br />
* http://technorati.com/tools/mozsearch/technorati.png [http://technorati.com/ Technorati] - e.g. http://technorati.com/people/technorati/tantek<br />
* http://www.postreach.com/images/logo_typepad.gif [http://typepad.com/ TypePad] - e.g. http://www.markpasc.typepad.com/<br />
* http://pulse.plaxo.com/pulse/img/event_icons/Twitter.gif [http://twitter.com/ Twitter] - login, click on "Your profile" at the top, and copy the URL<br />
* [http://videntity.org/ Videntity.org] - e.g. http://danda.videntity.org/<br />
* http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/vox.png [http://vox.com/ Vox] - e.g. http://anil.vox.com/<br />
* [http://wordpress.com Wordpress.com] and any other blogs using Wordpress 1.5 or later have XFN supporting blog rolls (for friends and [[rel-me]]).<br />
* http://lifestrea.ms/animated_favicon1.gif [http://lifestrea.ms/ lifestrea.ms] - supporting all your external appearances on the web. Examples: [http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn/ public profile] or [http://lifestrea.ms/user/solution-media.thomas.huhn/ professional profile] of the same person.<br />
</div><br />
<br />
== Implement hCard XFN supporting friends lists ==<br />
Want to implement hCard+XFN on your site so you can list it here? <br />
<br />
# '''Markup friends with hCard.''' See the [[hcard-authoring|hCard authoring]] page for how to mark-up names, links, icons of people in friends lists with hCard.<br />
# '''XFN on friend links.''' Friends lists should be marked up with XFN per [[xfn-clarifications#mapping_community_site_.22friends.22|XFN clarifications: mapping community site friends]]. See also the [http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/join XFN: Getting Started] page for how to markup links to people with XFN. See also the [[hcard-examples#hCard_and_XFN|hCard examples: hCard and XFN]] which demonstrates this and the previous step quite well.<br />
# '''rel="me" to a user's other URLs'''. Hyperlinks to users' home pages or blogs should have the XFN <code>rel="me"</code> attribute to support user-driven (since the user chooses the URL to link to) identity consolidation.<br />
# '''rel="me" on "View All Friends..." links'''. If a user profile page on your site links to a separate page for that user's friends list, add <code>rel="me"</code> to that link.<br />
# '''rel="me" on friends list pagination links'''. If your site paginates a user's friend list into multiple pages, be sure to add <code>rel="me next"</code> to your "Next" pagination hyperlinks, and similarly <code>rel="me prev"</code> to your "Previous" pagination hyperlinks.<br />
<br />
Please also consider implementing [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles|hCard user profiles]].<br />
<br />
== Implement import XFN friends lists ==<br />
Want to implement importing (and preferably subscribing to) XFN friends lists on your site so you can list it here?<br />
<br />
In addition to implementing hCard XFN supporting friends lists yourself (see above), do the following:<br />
<br />
# '''Provide a user interface to "Import Friends"''' (like a button or menu item)<br />
# '''When chosen, provide a text input field for the user to enter their profile URL''' (such as their blog or XFN friends list URL). If you already have the user's "Website", pre-fill the field with it, or if the user has many "Other Profiles", pre-fill the field with the first, and let the user pick any of them with a Select pop-up menu, or provide the user the option to just import XFN from all of them at once.<br />
# '''Parse the [[XFN]] at the URL(s) given''' (links with rel="contact" or "acquaintance" or "friend" etc.) and check to see if there are any users on your site with any of those links as their rel="me" "Website" or among their rel="me" "Other Profiles" and add them to a list of people to invite. Crawl any symmetrical rel="me" links, especially symmetrical rel="me next" and/or rel="me prev" friends list pagination links for additional URLs to parse for XFN. Consider also parsing those URLs simultaneously for hCards that have those XFN links as class="url" hCard properties, and if the hCards have additional contact information such as instant messaging or email, add them to the list of people to invite.<br />
# '''Present the list of people to invite''', perhaps sorted by "closeness" of XFN relationships (e.g. list family relationships before just romantic relationships before just friends before just professional relationships before just acquaintances before just contacts before just met etc.) with a "Add Friend" button next to each. When clicked, use [[XHR]] to add that person without altering the overall list, and change the Add button into a Cancel button. Perhaps put an "Add all" button at the top (or bottom) to let the user simply add everyone listed with one click.<br />
# '''Consider also providing a checkbox "<nowiki>[x]</nowiki> Subscribe to XFN friends"''' which would automatically run this import perhaps once a day and notify the user of new contacts found that they may want to add, and similarly present an "Add all" button.<br />
<br />
== Sites that should support hCard and XFN ==<br />
See [[hcard-advocacy#hCard_XFN_friends_lists|hCard advocacy - hCard XFN friends lists]].<br />
<br />
== For more information ==<br />
In addition to the previous "Implement" sections, see the [[hcard-authoring|hCard authoring]] page for how to mark-up information about a person with hCard, and [http://gmpg.org/xfn/join XFN getting started] page for how to mark-up friend links with XFN.<br />
<br />
Join the [http://microformats.org/discuss microformats community], in particular the #microformats IRC channel on irc://irc.freenode.net#microformats and the [http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-dev/ microformats-dev mailing list], and send a message stating that you'd like to add hCard to the profiles and hCard+XFN supporting friends lists (and importing thereof) to your website.<br />
<br />
Please also consider implementing [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles|hCard supporting user profiles]].<br />
<br />
See [[hcard-xfn-supporting-friends-lists-issues|hCard+XFN supporting friends lists issues]] for issues, problems with implementations.<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
* [[xfn|XFN]] ([http://gmpg.org/xfn/ spec], [[xfn-faq|FAQ]], [[xfn-implementations|implementations]] - there are a few more in there that need to be copied and expanded in this page.)<br />
* [[hcard-supporting-user-profiles]]<br />
* [[hcard|hCard]] ([[hcard-authoring|authoring]], [[hcard-faq|FAQ]])<br />
* [[social-network-portability]]<br />
* [[data-portability]]<br />
* [[user-interface]]</div>STHaydenhttps://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=26460xfn-brainstorming2008-03-03T16:35:52Z<p>STHayden: /* possible inverse of fan terms */</p>
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<div><h1> XFN Brainstorming </h1><br />
{{TOC-right}}<br />
This page is for brainstorming about various uses and details of [[XFN]], as well as collecting input for potential extensions.<br />
<br />
== Required Reading ==<br />
Before participating in any XFN brainstorming please read and understand the following:<br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/intro XFN intro]<br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/background XFN background]<br />
* [[xfn-faq|XFN FAQ]] <br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/and XFN and other services]<br />
<br />
Note that all existing XFN values were based on research that showed real world sites that indicated such relationships explicitly via text and hyperlinks to other sites. Thus any new semantics or values will be more seriously considered if URLs demonstrating existing text labeling and hyperlinking behavior are provided.<br />
<br />
== Contributors ==<br />
* [http://tantek.com/ Tantek Çelik]<br />
* [[User:CiaranMc |CiaranMc ]]<br />
* [http://factoryjoe.com/ Chris Messina]<br />
<br />
== general ==<br />
* [[xfn-wants]]<br />
<br />
== Identity Consolidation ==<br />
See [[rel-me]] and [[identity-consolidation]]. <span id="Frames">&nbsp;</span><br />
<br />
== Extending family relationships ==<br />
<br />
=== grandparent ===<br />
<cite>[http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/background The XFN: Background page]</cite> says:<br />
<blockquote><br />
We considered adding "grandparent," but in the end dropped the term because it seemed unlikely to be used in the near future. It may appear in future versions of XFN.<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
Presumably the assumption is that a grandparent won't have a website, but:<br />
<br />
* I think it's important in some situations to capture the age difference in a relationship in a way that @rel="kin" doesn't seem to.<br />
** ''follow-up'': XFN is the wrong place to represent age information (even relative). Instead, mark up each person's page with an hCard for them that has a <code>bday</code> property, with even just the year if you want - that could then be used to determine an approximate age difference, which is presumably all that is desired. Thus rel="kin" can be considered to be sufficient for now.<br />
*** ''rel-kin'' with an age difference of, say, 45 years, might represent any of parent, grandparent, uncle, sibling, cousin or more.<br />
<br />
<s>To date, no real world examples have been provided, thus, per the microformats [[process]], we should not complicate a format for a theoretical need.</s><br />
<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandpa%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandpa's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandfather%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandfather's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandma%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandma's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandmother%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandmother's website"]<br />
*See also [[genealogy-examples]]<br />
<br />
=== ancestor descendant ===<br />
Even if they don't maintain it themselves (or are deceased) there might be a URL that does a good job of representing a person.<br />
<br />
Consider a site about one's family tree. It might have something like:<br />
<br />
I can trace my family back to <br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I_of_England"><br />
William the conqueror.<br />
</a><br />
<br />
In these cases it would be useful to have @rel="ancestor", and perhaps a corresponding @rel="descendant".<br />
-CiaranMc<br />
<br />
See also: [[genealogy-brainstorming#Relationships]]<br />
<br />
* follow-up: rel="kin" can be considered to be sufficient for now.<br />
<br />
<s>To date, no real world examples have been provided, thus, per the microformats [[process]], we should not complicate a format for a theoretical need.</s><br />
<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill#Family_and_early_life Wikipedia's page on Winston Churchill, with list if ancestors]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom#Marriage Wikipeida page on Queen Elizabeth II]: refers to "Queen Victoria as [her] great-great-grandmother"<br />
*See also [[genealogy-examples]]<br />
<br />
== Simple Groups and Members ==<br />
A very simple extension to XFN could enable decentralized group membership. E.g.<br />
* rel="group". A person could link from their page to the page of a group that they belong to (e.g. their company, school, DJ collective etc.) and thus assert that they belong to that group.<br />
* rel="member". The web pages of groups could link to who they consider members and thus assert that person's membership.<br />
<br />
The relationships could be required bi-directional in order to confirm group membership, that is, both the individual must link to the group with rel="group" and the group must link to the individiual with rel="member" in order for the membership to be considered "true".<br />
<br />
See also [[group-brainstorming]] for more on this including documentation of examples.<br />
<br />
== fans and followers ==<br />
It's becoming a common aspect of many social networks (see list below) that you have unreciprocated and non-friend-based connections to people. These connections are particularly noteworthy where you don't really ever expect to have your connections reciprocated, but instead are similar to the idea of "rel-muse". <br />
<br />
=== fan follower examples ===<br />
Sites that have the semantic / implied-schema of "fan" or "follower")<br />
* http://crowdvine.com/ (has fans and mutual fans and want to meet)<br />
* http://pownce.com/ (has fans vs friends)<br />
* http://twitter.com/ (has followers vs friends)<br />
* http://upcoming.org/ (has fans vs friends)<br />
* http://www.sugarloot.com (has Fans vs Favorites)<br />
<br />
=== possible inverse of fan terms ===<br />
Brainstorm list of possible terms (for an inverse of fan/follower):<br />
* source<br />
* influence<br />
* influencer<br />
** +1 [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] - I like this one the best so far, as it seems to represent the implied semantics the best. If I follow someone, then they are an "influencer" to me.<br />
*** Sounds like "influenza" [[User:Gazza|Gazza]]<br />
** -1 - influence can be negative as well as positive: "The child only shoplifted because he was under the influence of older boys". [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 01:04, 26 Jan 2008 (PST)<br />
* leader<br />
* star<br />
* hero<br />
* favorite<br />
* guider<br />
* role-model<br />
* idol<br />
** -1 [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] These all seem too strong and sometimes imply more subordination than most people want.<br />
* subscription<br />
** +1 Tony Stubblebine<br />
** +1 this one seems most neutral to me (a good thing) [[User:STHayden|STHayden]] 08:35, 3 Mar 2008 (PST)<br />
* of-interest<br />
<br />
=== rejected fan follower terms ===<br />
==== rel-fan ====<br />
I would propose adding "rel-fan" or "rel-follower" to the collection of XFN values -- as being something like a "contact" or a "muse" but having a different purpose within the realm of social networking. Again, given that this is showing up in social networks like Pownce (fan), Twitter (follower), and that these words are becoming common, I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to even ditch rel-muse in favor of rel-follower and rel-fan (the former implying some kind of positive social stalking and the latter a kind of amiable appreciation for someone's work). <br />
<br />
This fan/follower designation seems sorely lacking from Flickr where not everyone falls into either contact, friend or family... but in many cases, you just like someone's photos and want to be able to check in on them every now and again, similar to the way that people "follow" or "subscribe" to blog feeds... Someone who reads my blog feed could be considered a "follower" -- as in, "someone who follows my blog".<br />
<br />
- Chris Messina<br />
<br />
Chris, rel-fan or rel-follower would work for you to point to people who follow you, but the converse case is probably more useful, saying who you follow (eg blogroll case too). We need a good noun for that relationship that describes how you view them, that is less coloured than 'muse' currently is by being classified as romantic. rel-source or rel-influence maybe? Very hard to come up with a good noun. <br />
<br />
[[User:Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]] 12:57, 17 Aug 2007 (PDT)<br />
<br />
* Hence the existence of the HTML "rev" attribute. [[User:TobyInk|TobyInk]] 00:12, 25 Feb 2008 (PST)<br />
<br />
==== rel-reader ====<br />
<br />
For blogrolls at least, what about rel-read / rel-reader? -- [[User:SteveIvy|Steve Ivy]]<br />
<br />
Steve, "read" is still a verb (and [[rel-values]] need to be nouns), and "reader" would still imply that they are a "reader" of yours, rather than vice versa. -- [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]<br />
<br />
== favorites ==<br />
Another possibility is perhaps 'favorite', that is, people do link to favorite bands for example, which is similar to saying they are a fan of the band. Thus you could add <code>rel="favorite"</code> to such hyperlinks to indicate that that music band over there is a favorite of yours. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:57, 2 Oct 2007 (PDT) based on a question raised by DanBri.<br />
<br />
== mentors and mentees ==<br />
Though seemingly rare, I personally have found use for <code>rel="mentor"</code> and inverse <code>rel="mentee"</code> (see Wiktionary definitions: [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mentor mentor], [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mentee mentee]). I don't have sufficient evidence to even consider proposing adding these to XFN, but I wanted to capture them here as a brainstorm while I look into using them personally and research examples in the wild. I may just use them as [[POSH]] myself.<br />
<br />
[[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 02:34, 8 Jul 2007 (PDT)<br />
<br />
* +1 Erica OGrady<br />
<br />
== advisor and advisee ==<br />
Similarly, I have seen folks reference someone as an advisor, or note that they are advising someone. We could consider <code>rel="advisor"</code> and <code>rel="advisee"</code> to capture and represent these semantics.<br />
<br />
Note that the relationship of advising a company or organization would be much better captured by noting "advisor" as a "role" property value in an hCard listing that organization, e.g.:<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<span class="vcard"><br />
<span class="fn">Tantek Çelik</span><br />
<span class="org">Citizen Agency</span><br />
<span class="role">advisor</span><br />
</span><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
Again, I think [[POSH]] usage of these terms would make a good experiment to see if there is sufficient use to formalize them.<br />
<br />
[[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 07:45, 29 Dec 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
== scholarly ==<br />
A possibility that might be added is scholarly definitions. For example <code>rel="mentor"</code>[Student's Teacher] (similar to above), <code>rel="student"</code>[Teacher's Student] (inverse of mentor), <code>rel="classmate"</code>[Student's classmate]. Possible uses in Social Networking sites that involve adding your school, grading your teachers, etc. Teacher <-> Teacher would be specified in with <code>rel="co-worker"</code> or <code>rel="colleague"</code>.<br />
<br />
[[User:Navarr|Navarr]] 05:56, 13 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
<br />
== professional ==<br />
* [[xpn]] / [[xpn-examples]] - proposal to extend (or replicate) XFN for business (or professional - hence X'''P'''N) relationships<br />
<br />
== see also ==<br />
{{xfn-related-pages}}<br />
* [[hcard|hCard]]<br />
* [[hcard-brainstorming|hCard brainstorming]]<br />
* [[social-network-portability]]</div>STHaydenhttps://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=26058xfn-brainstorming2008-03-03T16:35:36Z<p>STHayden: /* possible inverse of fan terms */</p>
<hr />
<div><h1> XFN Brainstorming </h1><br />
{{TOC-right}}<br />
This page is for brainstorming about various uses and details of [[XFN]], as well as collecting input for potential extensions.<br />
<br />
== Required Reading ==<br />
Before participating in any XFN brainstorming please read and understand the following:<br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/intro XFN intro]<br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/background XFN background]<br />
* [[xfn-faq|XFN FAQ]] <br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/and XFN and other services]<br />
<br />
Note that all existing XFN values were based on research that showed real world sites that indicated such relationships explicitly via text and hyperlinks to other sites. Thus any new semantics or values will be more seriously considered if URLs demonstrating existing text labeling and hyperlinking behavior are provided.<br />
<br />
== Contributors ==<br />
* [http://tantek.com/ Tantek Çelik]<br />
* [[User:CiaranMc |CiaranMc ]]<br />
* [http://factoryjoe.com/ Chris Messina]<br />
<br />
== general ==<br />
* [[xfn-wants]]<br />
<br />
== Identity Consolidation ==<br />
See [[rel-me]] and [[identity-consolidation]]. <span id="Frames">&nbsp;</span><br />
<br />
== Extending family relationships ==<br />
<br />
=== grandparent ===<br />
<cite>[http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/background The XFN: Background page]</cite> says:<br />
<blockquote><br />
We considered adding "grandparent," but in the end dropped the term because it seemed unlikely to be used in the near future. It may appear in future versions of XFN.<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
Presumably the assumption is that a grandparent won't have a website, but:<br />
<br />
* I think it's important in some situations to capture the age difference in a relationship in a way that @rel="kin" doesn't seem to.<br />
** ''follow-up'': XFN is the wrong place to represent age information (even relative). Instead, mark up each person's page with an hCard for them that has a <code>bday</code> property, with even just the year if you want - that could then be used to determine an approximate age difference, which is presumably all that is desired. Thus rel="kin" can be considered to be sufficient for now.<br />
*** ''rel-kin'' with an age difference of, say, 45 years, might represent any of parent, grandparent, uncle, sibling, cousin or more.<br />
<br />
<s>To date, no real world examples have been provided, thus, per the microformats [[process]], we should not complicate a format for a theoretical need.</s><br />
<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandpa%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandpa's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandfather%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandfather's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandma%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandma's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandmother%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandmother's website"]<br />
*See also [[genealogy-examples]]<br />
<br />
=== ancestor descendant ===<br />
Even if they don't maintain it themselves (or are deceased) there might be a URL that does a good job of representing a person.<br />
<br />
Consider a site about one's family tree. It might have something like:<br />
<br />
I can trace my family back to <br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I_of_England"><br />
William the conqueror.<br />
</a><br />
<br />
In these cases it would be useful to have @rel="ancestor", and perhaps a corresponding @rel="descendant".<br />
-CiaranMc<br />
<br />
See also: [[genealogy-brainstorming#Relationships]]<br />
<br />
* follow-up: rel="kin" can be considered to be sufficient for now.<br />
<br />
<s>To date, no real world examples have been provided, thus, per the microformats [[process]], we should not complicate a format for a theoretical need.</s><br />
<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill#Family_and_early_life Wikipedia's page on Winston Churchill, with list if ancestors]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom#Marriage Wikipeida page on Queen Elizabeth II]: refers to "Queen Victoria as [her] great-great-grandmother"<br />
*See also [[genealogy-examples]]<br />
<br />
== Simple Groups and Members ==<br />
A very simple extension to XFN could enable decentralized group membership. E.g.<br />
* rel="group". A person could link from their page to the page of a group that they belong to (e.g. their company, school, DJ collective etc.) and thus assert that they belong to that group.<br />
* rel="member". The web pages of groups could link to who they consider members and thus assert that person's membership.<br />
<br />
The relationships could be required bi-directional in order to confirm group membership, that is, both the individual must link to the group with rel="group" and the group must link to the individiual with rel="member" in order for the membership to be considered "true".<br />
<br />
See also [[group-brainstorming]] for more on this including documentation of examples.<br />
<br />
== fans and followers ==<br />
It's becoming a common aspect of many social networks (see list below) that you have unreciprocated and non-friend-based connections to people. These connections are particularly noteworthy where you don't really ever expect to have your connections reciprocated, but instead are similar to the idea of "rel-muse". <br />
<br />
=== fan follower examples ===<br />
Sites that have the semantic / implied-schema of "fan" or "follower")<br />
* http://crowdvine.com/ (has fans and mutual fans and want to meet)<br />
* http://pownce.com/ (has fans vs friends)<br />
* http://twitter.com/ (has followers vs friends)<br />
* http://upcoming.org/ (has fans vs friends)<br />
* http://www.sugarloot.com (has Fans vs Favorites)<br />
<br />
=== possible inverse of fan terms ===<br />
Brainstorm list of possible terms (for an inverse of fan/follower):<br />
* source<br />
* influence<br />
* influencer<br />
** +1 [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] - I like this one the best so far, as it seems to represent the implied semantics the best. If I follow someone, then they are an "influencer" to me.<br />
*** Sounds like "influenza" [[User:Gazza|Gazza]]<br />
** -1 - influence can be negative as well as positive: "The child only shoplifted because he was under the influence of older boys". [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 01:04, 26 Jan 2008 (PST)<br />
* leader<br />
* star<br />
* hero<br />
* favorite<br />
* guider<br />
* role-model<br />
* idol<br />
** -1 [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] These all seem too strong and sometimes imply more subordination than most people want.<br />
* subscription<br />
** +1 Tony Stubblebine<br />
** +1 this one seems most neutral to me (a good thing)<br />
* of-interest<br />
<br />
=== rejected fan follower terms ===<br />
==== rel-fan ====<br />
I would propose adding "rel-fan" or "rel-follower" to the collection of XFN values -- as being something like a "contact" or a "muse" but having a different purpose within the realm of social networking. Again, given that this is showing up in social networks like Pownce (fan), Twitter (follower), and that these words are becoming common, I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to even ditch rel-muse in favor of rel-follower and rel-fan (the former implying some kind of positive social stalking and the latter a kind of amiable appreciation for someone's work). <br />
<br />
This fan/follower designation seems sorely lacking from Flickr where not everyone falls into either contact, friend or family... but in many cases, you just like someone's photos and want to be able to check in on them every now and again, similar to the way that people "follow" or "subscribe" to blog feeds... Someone who reads my blog feed could be considered a "follower" -- as in, "someone who follows my blog".<br />
<br />
- Chris Messina<br />
<br />
Chris, rel-fan or rel-follower would work for you to point to people who follow you, but the converse case is probably more useful, saying who you follow (eg blogroll case too). We need a good noun for that relationship that describes how you view them, that is less coloured than 'muse' currently is by being classified as romantic. rel-source or rel-influence maybe? Very hard to come up with a good noun. <br />
<br />
[[User:Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]] 12:57, 17 Aug 2007 (PDT)<br />
<br />
* Hence the existence of the HTML "rev" attribute. [[User:TobyInk|TobyInk]] 00:12, 25 Feb 2008 (PST)<br />
<br />
==== rel-reader ====<br />
<br />
For blogrolls at least, what about rel-read / rel-reader? -- [[User:SteveIvy|Steve Ivy]]<br />
<br />
Steve, "read" is still a verb (and [[rel-values]] need to be nouns), and "reader" would still imply that they are a "reader" of yours, rather than vice versa. -- [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]<br />
<br />
== favorites ==<br />
Another possibility is perhaps 'favorite', that is, people do link to favorite bands for example, which is similar to saying they are a fan of the band. Thus you could add <code>rel="favorite"</code> to such hyperlinks to indicate that that music band over there is a favorite of yours. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:57, 2 Oct 2007 (PDT) based on a question raised by DanBri.<br />
<br />
== mentors and mentees ==<br />
Though seemingly rare, I personally have found use for <code>rel="mentor"</code> and inverse <code>rel="mentee"</code> (see Wiktionary definitions: [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mentor mentor], [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mentee mentee]). I don't have sufficient evidence to even consider proposing adding these to XFN, but I wanted to capture them here as a brainstorm while I look into using them personally and research examples in the wild. I may just use them as [[POSH]] myself.<br />
<br />
[[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 02:34, 8 Jul 2007 (PDT)<br />
<br />
* +1 Erica OGrady<br />
<br />
== advisor and advisee ==<br />
Similarly, I have seen folks reference someone as an advisor, or note that they are advising someone. We could consider <code>rel="advisor"</code> and <code>rel="advisee"</code> to capture and represent these semantics.<br />
<br />
Note that the relationship of advising a company or organization would be much better captured by noting "advisor" as a "role" property value in an hCard listing that organization, e.g.:<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<span class="vcard"><br />
<span class="fn">Tantek Çelik</span><br />
<span class="org">Citizen Agency</span><br />
<span class="role">advisor</span><br />
</span><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
Again, I think [[POSH]] usage of these terms would make a good experiment to see if there is sufficient use to formalize them.<br />
<br />
[[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 07:45, 29 Dec 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
== scholarly ==<br />
A possibility that might be added is scholarly definitions. For example <code>rel="mentor"</code>[Student's Teacher] (similar to above), <code>rel="student"</code>[Teacher's Student] (inverse of mentor), <code>rel="classmate"</code>[Student's classmate]. Possible uses in Social Networking sites that involve adding your school, grading your teachers, etc. Teacher <-> Teacher would be specified in with <code>rel="co-worker"</code> or <code>rel="colleague"</code>.<br />
<br />
[[User:Navarr|Navarr]] 05:56, 13 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
<br />
== professional ==<br />
* [[xpn]] / [[xpn-examples]] - proposal to extend (or replicate) XFN for business (or professional - hence X'''P'''N) relationships<br />
<br />
== see also ==<br />
{{xfn-related-pages}}<br />
* [[hcard|hCard]]<br />
* [[hcard-brainstorming|hCard brainstorming]]<br />
* [[social-network-portability]]</div>STHaydenhttps://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:STHayden&diff=34095User:STHayden2008-03-03T16:31:59Z<p>STHayden: </p>
<hr />
<div>Hi, my name is [http://www.stefanhayden.com stefan hayden] and I am a web/UI designer who tends to work for social networks.</div>STHaydenhttps://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:STHayden&diff=26056User:STHayden2008-03-03T16:31:45Z<p>STHayden: </p>
<hr />
<div>Hi, my name is [stefan hayden|http://www.stefanhayden.com] and I am a web/UI designer who tends to work for social networks.</div>STHaydenhttps://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=26057xfn-brainstorming2008-03-03T16:30:19Z<p>STHayden: /* fans and followers */ added sugarloot in === fan follower examples ===</p>
<hr />
<div><h1> XFN Brainstorming </h1><br />
{{TOC-right}}<br />
This page is for brainstorming about various uses and details of [[XFN]], as well as collecting input for potential extensions.<br />
<br />
== Required Reading ==<br />
Before participating in any XFN brainstorming please read and understand the following:<br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/intro XFN intro]<br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/background XFN background]<br />
* [[xfn-faq|XFN FAQ]] <br />
* [http://gmpg.org/xfn/and XFN and other services]<br />
<br />
Note that all existing XFN values were based on research that showed real world sites that indicated such relationships explicitly via text and hyperlinks to other sites. Thus any new semantics or values will be more seriously considered if URLs demonstrating existing text labeling and hyperlinking behavior are provided.<br />
<br />
== Contributors ==<br />
* [http://tantek.com/ Tantek Çelik]<br />
* [[User:CiaranMc |CiaranMc ]]<br />
* [http://factoryjoe.com/ Chris Messina]<br />
<br />
== general ==<br />
* [[xfn-wants]]<br />
<br />
== Identity Consolidation ==<br />
See [[rel-me]] and [[identity-consolidation]]. <span id="Frames">&nbsp;</span><br />
<br />
== Extending family relationships ==<br />
<br />
=== grandparent ===<br />
<cite>[http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/background The XFN: Background page]</cite> says:<br />
<blockquote><br />
We considered adding "grandparent," but in the end dropped the term because it seemed unlikely to be used in the near future. It may appear in future versions of XFN.<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
Presumably the assumption is that a grandparent won't have a website, but:<br />
<br />
* I think it's important in some situations to capture the age difference in a relationship in a way that @rel="kin" doesn't seem to.<br />
** ''follow-up'': XFN is the wrong place to represent age information (even relative). Instead, mark up each person's page with an hCard for them that has a <code>bday</code> property, with even just the year if you want - that could then be used to determine an approximate age difference, which is presumably all that is desired. Thus rel="kin" can be considered to be sufficient for now.<br />
*** ''rel-kin'' with an age difference of, say, 45 years, might represent any of parent, grandparent, uncle, sibling, cousin or more.<br />
<br />
<s>To date, no real world examples have been provided, thus, per the microformats [[process]], we should not complicate a format for a theoretical need.</s><br />
<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandpa%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandpa's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandfather%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandfather's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandma%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandma's website"]<br />
*[http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=%22my+grandmother%27s+website%22 Google search for "my grandmother's website"]<br />
*See also [[genealogy-examples]]<br />
<br />
=== ancestor descendant ===<br />
Even if they don't maintain it themselves (or are deceased) there might be a URL that does a good job of representing a person.<br />
<br />
Consider a site about one's family tree. It might have something like:<br />
<br />
I can trace my family back to <br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I_of_England"><br />
William the conqueror.<br />
</a><br />
<br />
In these cases it would be useful to have @rel="ancestor", and perhaps a corresponding @rel="descendant".<br />
-CiaranMc<br />
<br />
See also: [[genealogy-brainstorming#Relationships]]<br />
<br />
* follow-up: rel="kin" can be considered to be sufficient for now.<br />
<br />
<s>To date, no real world examples have been provided, thus, per the microformats [[process]], we should not complicate a format for a theoretical need.</s><br />
<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill#Family_and_early_life Wikipedia's page on Winston Churchill, with list if ancestors]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom#Marriage Wikipeida page on Queen Elizabeth II]: refers to "Queen Victoria as [her] great-great-grandmother"<br />
*See also [[genealogy-examples]]<br />
<br />
== Simple Groups and Members ==<br />
A very simple extension to XFN could enable decentralized group membership. E.g.<br />
* rel="group". A person could link from their page to the page of a group that they belong to (e.g. their company, school, DJ collective etc.) and thus assert that they belong to that group.<br />
* rel="member". The web pages of groups could link to who they consider members and thus assert that person's membership.<br />
<br />
The relationships could be required bi-directional in order to confirm group membership, that is, both the individual must link to the group with rel="group" and the group must link to the individiual with rel="member" in order for the membership to be considered "true".<br />
<br />
See also [[group-brainstorming]] for more on this including documentation of examples.<br />
<br />
== fans and followers ==<br />
It's becoming a common aspect of many social networks (see list below) that you have unreciprocated and non-friend-based connections to people. These connections are particularly noteworthy where you don't really ever expect to have your connections reciprocated, but instead are similar to the idea of "rel-muse". <br />
<br />
=== fan follower examples ===<br />
Sites that have the semantic / implied-schema of "fan" or "follower")<br />
* http://crowdvine.com/ (has fans and mutual fans and want to meet)<br />
* http://pownce.com/ (has fans vs friends)<br />
* http://twitter.com/ (has followers vs friends)<br />
* http://upcoming.org/ (has fans vs friends)<br />
* http://www.sugarloot.com (has Fans vs Favorites)<br />
<br />
=== possible inverse of fan terms ===<br />
Brainstorm list of possible terms (for an inverse of fan/follower):<br />
* source<br />
* influence<br />
* influencer<br />
** +1 [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] - I like this one the best so far, as it seems to represent the implied semantics the best. If I follow someone, then they are an "influencer" to me.<br />
*** Sounds like "influenza" [[User:Gazza|Gazza]]<br />
** -1 - influence can be negative as well as positive: "The child only shoplifted because he was under the influence of older boys". [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 01:04, 26 Jan 2008 (PST)<br />
* leader<br />
* star<br />
* hero<br />
* favorite<br />
* guider<br />
* role-model<br />
* idol<br />
** -1 [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] These all seem too strong and sometimes imply more subordination than most people want.<br />
* subscription<br />
** +1 Tony Stubblebine<br />
<br />
=== rejected fan follower terms ===<br />
==== rel-fan ====<br />
I would propose adding "rel-fan" or "rel-follower" to the collection of XFN values -- as being something like a "contact" or a "muse" but having a different purpose within the realm of social networking. Again, given that this is showing up in social networks like Pownce (fan), Twitter (follower), and that these words are becoming common, I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to even ditch rel-muse in favor of rel-follower and rel-fan (the former implying some kind of positive social stalking and the latter a kind of amiable appreciation for someone's work). <br />
<br />
This fan/follower designation seems sorely lacking from Flickr where not everyone falls into either contact, friend or family... but in many cases, you just like someone's photos and want to be able to check in on them every now and again, similar to the way that people "follow" or "subscribe" to blog feeds... Someone who reads my blog feed could be considered a "follower" -- as in, "someone who follows my blog".<br />
<br />
- Chris Messina<br />
<br />
Chris, rel-fan or rel-follower would work for you to point to people who follow you, but the converse case is probably more useful, saying who you follow (eg blogroll case too). We need a good noun for that relationship that describes how you view them, that is less coloured than 'muse' currently is by being classified as romantic. rel-source or rel-influence maybe? Very hard to come up with a good noun. <br />
<br />
[[User:Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]] 12:57, 17 Aug 2007 (PDT)<br />
<br />
* Hence the existence of the HTML "rev" attribute. [[User:TobyInk|TobyInk]] 00:12, 25 Feb 2008 (PST)<br />
<br />
==== rel-reader ====<br />
<br />
For blogrolls at least, what about rel-read / rel-reader? -- [[User:SteveIvy|Steve Ivy]]<br />
<br />
Steve, "read" is still a verb (and [[rel-values]] need to be nouns), and "reader" would still imply that they are a "reader" of yours, rather than vice versa. -- [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]<br />
<br />
== favorites ==<br />
Another possibility is perhaps 'favorite', that is, people do link to favorite bands for example, which is similar to saying they are a fan of the band. Thus you could add <code>rel="favorite"</code> to such hyperlinks to indicate that that music band over there is a favorite of yours. [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 17:57, 2 Oct 2007 (PDT) based on a question raised by DanBri.<br />
<br />
== mentors and mentees ==<br />
Though seemingly rare, I personally have found use for <code>rel="mentor"</code> and inverse <code>rel="mentee"</code> (see Wiktionary definitions: [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mentor mentor], [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mentee mentee]). I don't have sufficient evidence to even consider proposing adding these to XFN, but I wanted to capture them here as a brainstorm while I look into using them personally and research examples in the wild. I may just use them as [[POSH]] myself.<br />
<br />
[[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 02:34, 8 Jul 2007 (PDT)<br />
<br />
* +1 Erica OGrady<br />
<br />
== advisor and advisee ==<br />
Similarly, I have seen folks reference someone as an advisor, or note that they are advising someone. We could consider <code>rel="advisor"</code> and <code>rel="advisee"</code> to capture and represent these semantics.<br />
<br />
Note that the relationship of advising a company or organization would be much better captured by noting "advisor" as a "role" property value in an hCard listing that organization, e.g.:<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
<span class="vcard"><br />
<span class="fn">Tantek Çelik</span><br />
<span class="org">Citizen Agency</span><br />
<span class="role">advisor</span><br />
</span><br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
Again, I think [[POSH]] usage of these terms would make a good experiment to see if there is sufficient use to formalize them.<br />
<br />
[[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 07:45, 29 Dec 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
== scholarly ==<br />
A possibility that might be added is scholarly definitions. For example <code>rel="mentor"</code>[Student's Teacher] (similar to above), <code>rel="student"</code>[Teacher's Student] (inverse of mentor), <code>rel="classmate"</code>[Student's classmate]. Possible uses in Social Networking sites that involve adding your school, grading your teachers, etc. Teacher <-> Teacher would be specified in with <code>rel="co-worker"</code> or <code>rel="colleague"</code>.<br />
<br />
[[User:Navarr|Navarr]] 05:56, 13 Dec 2007 (CST)<br />
<br />
== professional ==<br />
* [[xpn]] / [[xpn-examples]] - proposal to extend (or replicate) XFN for business (or professional - hence X'''P'''N) relationships<br />
<br />
== see also ==<br />
{{xfn-related-pages}}<br />
* [[hcard|hCard]]<br />
* [[hcard-brainstorming|hCard brainstorming]]<br />
* [[social-network-portability]]</div>STHayden